Archive for Newsletter Article

Letter to Membership June 2019

IMA Newsletter June 2019

Interim Ministry Association of the ELCA (IMA-ELCA)

The Interim Ministry Association of the ELCA is a non-profit organization of ELCA Interim Ministers. We send our newsletter to our list of about 1500 ELCA ministers who have taken interim training from IMN, NALIP or other qualified organizations or who have served a synod call to interim ministry. Our website is

IMA Annual Meeting at NALIP Conference (June 18 2019)

In the past, the IMA Annual Meeting has been held only at the NALIP Conference. After NALIP completes some restructuring changes (see below), the location of any Annual Meetings will be flexible. This year’s meeting at the NALIP Conference will be held 4:45 pm on Wednesday, June 18, 2019.

  1. Last Call for NALIP Interim Ministry Conference 2019

The annual conference of the National Association of Lutheran Interim Pastors will be held June 18-20 at the Maritime Conference Center in Linthicum Heights MD. For information, go to

  1. NALIP Restructuring to LuTMA

The NALIP governing body has proposed a set of changes that will make NALIP a membership organization. These changes are expected to be approved at the June 2019 NALIP Conference. The impact of this transition will involve the official separation of IMA from NALIP when it is complete, because LuTMA will be a membership organization rather than being wholly-owned by IMA (ELCA interims) and IMC (LCMS interims).

  1. Effect of NALIP Restructuring on IMA Constitution

The IMA Constitution has already been modified in expectation of the NALIP Restructuring Changes. The IMA Constitution changes will take effect when the NALIP Restructuring is completed. Copies of the new IMA Constitution have been sent out.

  1. Survey of ELCA Interim Ministers

The IMA Board has requested comments from ELCA Interim Ministers about the future of IMA and the location of future IMA Annual Meetings. The possible location of future IMA Annual Meetings is at the LuTMA (previously NALIP) Conference, at the IMN Conference, or at both conferences. We encourage all ELCA interims to respond to this questionnaire. Comments may also be sent to Pastor Rick Klafehn, Chairperson, IMA Board, at Richard Klafehn <[email protected]>,

  1. IMA Board Openings

The IMA Board has openings for additional members of the Board. IMA Board Members are usually elected at IMA Annual Meetings, but there are other ways to become involved as a board member. For more information, please contact Richard Klafehn <[email protected]>,

  1. IMN Conference November 11-14 2019

The Annual Conference of the Interim Ministry Network will be held November 11-14 2019 at the Maritime Conference Center in Linthicum Heights MD. This is the first year that the IMN Conference will be held separately from the NALIP Conference. For information on the IMN Conference, go to:

  1. Possible IMA Annual Meeting at IMN Conference

The IMA Board has approved the possible occurrence of an IMA Annual Meeting at the IMN Conference November 11-14, if arrangements can be made. This would allow the election of new IMA Board members at that conference.

  1. Prayers for Ken Ruppar

We request prayers for Ken Ruppar. Ken is undergoing treatment for leukemia diagnosed in March. His home address is 14615 Houghton St., Chesterfield VA 23832. (Ken resigned as Executive Director of NALIP due to illness.)

  1. Portico Contact to Intentional Interims

IMA members are very pleased with Portico for providing a dedicated expert in dealing with intentional interim pastors since January 2017.  Andrew Feller can be reached at 612.752.4060, or 800.352.2876 ext. 4060, fax 612.752.5060, or [email protected]. The original Portico announcement is attached. (Dan, in case you don’t have it handy.

The IMA Board

Richard Klafehn, Chair

Robert Hansen, Treasurer

Richard Mathisen, Acting Secretary

Dan DeBlock, Newsletter Editor

Sherrie Hofmann

Dwight Wascom


[See Attached Questionnaire]



  1. Do you favor holding the IMA Annual Membership Meeting at
  2. The Annual LutMA / NALIP conference?
  3. The Annual IMN Conference?
  4. At both conferences?
  5. At neither conference?


  1. What are the most important issues facing ELCA Interim Ministers?

[Open-ended question allowing for write-in answers]


  1. Are you willing to consider involvement with IMA as a board member or a committee member?
  2. iMA Board
  3. Membership Committee
  4. Publicity Committee

Challenges Facing The Area Parish By Dan DeBlock

What is an area parish? Although churches are more often simply called congregations and have no geographic boundaries, in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America congregations are called parishes if four or more congregations are organized together under the care of a pastoral staff. Area parishes have been used most often to group rural congregations that are often small and or declining. The purpose of grouping congregations together is to help congregations that cannot afford a full-time pastor. In most cases, the hope is to avoid closing the congregation.

There is also a secondary purpose that is most often expressed but difficult to accomplish. Congregations join pooling resources in the hopes of bringing about vitality and energy in the congregation for its mission.

With some of the smaller congregations’ in an area parish, conversations have had to focus on setting up a living will. This helps to answer the questions: “At what point do we close the church? And what do we do with the remaining building, resources, and artifacts? How best to honor the service that has been done?”

The formation of an area parish of four of more congregations can result in a parish with all the components of a large congregation. The Sunday worship community and the weekly offering can be substantial, allowing for the calling of a senior or lead pastor and an associate to include the hiring of additional administrative staff. Yet, all five basic leadership systems that need to be in an alliance can be out of balance for this newly formed large congregation.

More to come. Please feel free to comment.

Teaching Fish to Walk

Teaching Fish to Walk: Church Systems and Adaptive Challenge by Peter L.  Steinke; Available from New Vision Press, Austin, TX. 2016.  $20

Review by John Czarnota


Peter Steinke tells of how a particular fish was, in fact, taught to walk. The Bichir, a “snake-like” amphibious fish, indigenous to Africa, was “taught” to walk by placing it on land for eight months, despite a clear preference for the water. The fish learned to walk, changing muscular structure even, to adapt to the new environment.

This scientific story serves as the underlying metaphor for Stenke’s latest book on systems work in the church. For those familiar with Steinke from his other works, they have come to expect the surprising wisdom of systems theory applied to the congregational context. This is certainly the case in this latest volume.

This work though is not a general systems approach. It specifically delves into the issues of adaptive change -buzzwords in our “the church is dying” era. Adaptive challenges, by their very nature, defy the “quick fix” approaches our culture, and thus our churches, find so addictive.  Adaptive change means being put in an environment for a prolonged period of time where struggle is required. Reconfiguring muscle structure doesn’t happen to non-challenged, water-happy fish.

Steinke’s book thus serves as a major challenge. As leaders in systems thinking, we are encouraged to expose the true environment of our congregations to its leadership, leaving them to learn to walk. We are to resist giving quick fixes, but instead to cheer-lead the indigenous process of re-inventing ourselves. The process is made more challenging by not having a clear end direction. If we knew that an adaptive change process leads to X, then we’d jump right to X. Instead, congregations are called to work and struggle and fuss until the old pulls of homeostasis die, and new adaptive strategies can fully emerge. It is imaginative work. It is dreaming. It is becoming comfortable with frustration and disappointment.

In digesting this book, I felt personally challenged. This is a tall order to do, particularly in the role of an interim. I also felt that this was precisely the challenges we are called to lead churches into at this time, but -it is a doozy! It’s a heavy prophetic work, truly pushing us professional change agents, out of our comfort zone and “quick fix” models, that have worked in the past.

I was grateful for having read Steinke’s previous work, “A Door Set Open”, prior to diving into “Teaching Fish to Walk”. “A Door Set Open” carries strong notes of hope and missional verve. “Teaching Fish to Walk” conveys a feeling of picking up a heavy burden. The two combined leave systems thinkers with some new challenges and a heavy load, but also with hope in and for God’s church on earth. We are invited to switch from “changing to” to “an experience of change”. One that, tempered with hope, is a place of joy, even as we struggle together with new realities. I come away appreciating Steinke’s honest treatment of reality and insightful systems comments. Maybe, this fish too may learn to walk, as I apply an expanded grasp of adaptive challenges into my systems thinking and leadership.

The Financial Relationship of a Church and its Preschool

When a church establishes a preschool, it typically subsidizes the preschool for the first few years of operation. After that initial period, the question arises as to what the financial relationship should be between the church and a preschool owned and operated by that church.

There are three general principles that will be helpful in discussing this topic.

Principle I – The Preschool is a ministry, not a tenant.

Principle II – The Preschool ought to reimburse the church for all out-of-pocket expenses directly attributable to the Preschool.

Principle III — The Preschool ought to make such additional contributions to the church as seem appropriate.

Principle I – Ministry, not Tenant

The most important principle is that the Preschool is a ministry and not a tenant. The Preschool is not charged “rent” for its use of space in the church facility. The Preschool should always be referred to as “we” and not as “they.”

Principle II – Full Reimbursement

The second important principle is that the Preschool ought to reimburse the church for all out-of-pocket expenses. Examples:

Insurance and Workers Compensation – The insurance company is usually able to provide a breakdown of how much of the premium is due to the church and how much to the Preschool. The Preschool can then pay its full share. The mechanics of this can be complex, but the principle is simple.

Telephone – The Preschool normally has its own telephone and pays its own telephone bill, including the amount for any yellow pages advertising.

Electricity – The Preschool ought to reimburse the church for electricity used by the Preschool. This requires estimating and approximation. Read the meter to compare Sunday usage versus weekday usage. Also, compare weekday usage when the Preschool is not in session to weekday usage when the Preschool is in session. The Preschool ought to reimburse for the amount of electricity usage directly attributable to the Preschool, i.e., the amount above and beyond the usage normally incurred by the church when the Preschool is closed. Air conditioning usage may introduce some complications in the calculation, but the principle remains simple.

Heat – The Preschool ought to reimburse the church for heating costs incurred by the Preschool. This can be very difficult to estimate. If heating is by gas, it is possible to use the gas meter in much the same manner as the electric meter is used above (comparing Sundays to weekdays and weekdays when school is in session to weekdays when the school is closed). The computation is made more difficult by factors such as the outside temperature (degree-days). When heating is by fuel oil, estimating is even more difficult. The basic rule is that you find out what it would cost to heat the facility if there were no Preschool. Do not assume that the church goes unheated if there is no Preschool. It is still necessary to maintain some temperature such as 60 degrees. It is also necessary to heat the facility for Council and Committee meetings, Boy Scout or Girl Scout troops, church events, community events, and all other normal activities other than the Preschool. You compare the heating costs if there were no operating Preschool to the actual costs. The difference is what the Preschool ought to reimburse for. In many cases, it is necessary to simply make a reasonable guess.

Utilities – In most cases, the Preschool simply reimburses the church for heat and electric utilities as a single monthly payment of a predetermined amount, such as $600 per month. This is much easier than attempting to make the calculations described above. The purpose of describing the calculations above is so that in cases of dispute it is possible to determine if the monthly amount is a reasonable approximation of the true cost.

Maintenance Items – The Preschool ought to reimburse the church for usage of paper towels, toilet paper, soap, and light bulbs, to the extent such usage is by the Preschool. For fluorescent bulbs, ballasts may be included. All of this requires estimation.

Wear and Tear – Above and beyond the above items, the normal operation of a Preschool causes a certain amount of wear and tear on a facility. Floors may need to be refinished or replaced, carpets wear out, walls may need to be repainted or repaired, etc. Part of this cost is attributable to the Preschool It is very difficult to estimate, but this wear and tear is definitely a cost due directly to the operation of the Preschool.



Interim Consult – SEPA – March 14, 2012                               Pastor Richard A. Mathisen


  1. The Role of the Interim Minister with regard to a Church School


  1. The School is a Business


  1. Financial Status – Deficit / Surplus


  1. Financial Reserves [Rule of Thumb – Three months budgeted expenses]


  1. Financial Controls and Handling of Money


  1. Legal Relationship – Constitution, By-laws, Liability


  1. Marketing, Price-setting, Long-range Planning


  1. Legal Counsel


  1. Employee Compensation


  1. Delinquent Parents, Collections, Subsidies


  1. Manual for Parents


  1. Manual for Employees


  1. Conflicts between Church and School


  1. Facility Usage – Scheduling and Storage Space


  1. Payments to Church (See Worksheet)


  1. Communications – Use of the Church Newsletter


  1. Working Relationship – Liaisons and Role of Minister


  1. Gaining New Church Members from the School


  1. Pastor as Teacher — Telling Bible Stories in the School


  1. The “School Sunday”


Copyright 2012 – No copying without permission from [email protected]

WORKSHEET — Financial Relationship of a Church and a Church School


This worksheet is intended to be helpful in evaluating the proper financial relationship between a church school and the church. Two principles guide the financial relationship:


1 – The church school is a ministry, not a tenant. It does not pay rent for space used.


2 – After start-up, the church school ought to reimburse the church for all out-of-pocket expenses caused by the existence of the school.



A                    B                      C


Cost                 Net Cost

ANNUAL FINANCIAL PAYMENT            Actual cost      if no school     (A minus B)



  1. Annual heating cost (oil/gas/etc) ________ ________        ________

(Specify temperature in degrees ______)


  1. Annual electricity usage ________ ________        ________


  1. Water usage ________ ________        ________


  1. Telephone usage (if not separate) ________


  1. Copier Usage (if not separate) ________


  1. Secretarial services (if not separate) ________


  1. Portion of liability insurance ________


  1. Portion of Workers Compensation insurance ________


  1. Bathroom supplies (towels, toilet paper, cups, etc.) ________


  1. Janitorial services (if not separate) ________


  1. Portion of snow removal ________


  1. Portion of outdoor property care (playground, lawn, etc) ________


  1. Portion of indoor property care (paint, maintenance) ________


Copyright 2012 – No copying without permission from [email protected]